AMD did NOT disappoint me

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  • Realistically who actually gives a shit about ray tracing all it does is ruin your frame rate

  • What is AMD response for dlss?

  • Sounds like he’s harsh on AMD. AMD says their doing RT is different than Nvidia in their implementation and the rest of the features I don’t think people really care about. Hardware unboxed video makes sense in my opinion

    • @Doom Wraith true it’s a niche thing at the moment. I’m glad both companies are being competitive

    • RT is diffrent and far worse. And lots of people care about it.

  • Day 148 of asking for a PC thanks 👍😁

  • My pc is Red and Green Best Combo

  • What does 3070 DLSS mean and why is it so much better than the standard one? 2:38 stand no chance against amd, 3070 is the only card under which is like 300 usd less than a 6800, all others are better with or without DLSS, hmm

    • With or without dlss, amd is sh*tty with raytracing on.

  • Looks like amd is loosing.. But at 8k gaming.. Nvidia really sucks....

  • How to enable rtx on amd cards?

  • That last second jab at NVidia in the end there 😂

  • this card cant do machine deep learning :(

  • Real shame that there's no way to buy a video card. Industry is a fail boat lately.

  • 3:17 haha he said but

  • nvidia created their own playing field (ray tracing) marketed it and partnered with game creators and now hold a complete monopoly on it, of course competitors will lag a couple generation behind , for now I wont spend anything on a new card while the future is uncertain lets wait for the competitor's R&D to catch up

    • Nice looking?

  • DLSS isn't that good. You cannot upscale low res frames by using data from a previous high res frame and motion vector information. The reason is simple: 1/3 of the time you strafe the camera fast and those frames don't have a relation, so you just have low internal res. Another 1/3 you strafe slowly and again far objects are just low res wile the main character closer to you looks ok. Just the last 1/3 of the time you standing still or moving straight and from than 1/4 is a high res frame and the rest upscaled. The correct comparison should be done vs Radeon Boost with similar settings as the DLSS level. As for RT just wait for games with FidelityFX SSSR and Denoiser, today's RT is optimized for NV.

  • Who needs rtx on when you can get real life on with Radeon 6000 series

  • amd shouldn't have ray tracing in the first place that technology is fucking useles.

  • Finally an honest and complex review that contains hardware video encoding, AI tensor cores apps, and raytracing. Not only graphs the FPS in games. AMD is a long way from reaching Nvidia performance.

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  • i can't afford any of those but i still watch this

  • Not gonna lie, the 7970 looked sexy.

  • Schiopu Pussy Slayer 69 has a rtx 3080 and he is not happy :\

  • AMD taken over

  • DLSS 2.0 is just too good not to have. Sorry AMD but it's a dead easy choice to continue with Nvidia.

  • "They had us in the first half not gonna lie"

  • A lot of the issues just sound like what we dealt with when Ryzen was new. Drivers not being optimized for AMD hardware mostly. Time will tell if things improve.

  • You forgot RX6900???

  • 499$ 3070 lol good luck with that 😂

  • Well it looks like all of us are still screwed to game in 4K and will have to wait until next gen to buy these cards used.

    • are more 3xxx comparable.

  • Well this title aged like milk...

  • Minecraft saved NVIDIA lol

  • The prices in Sweden are so high that its going to kill AMD RX6800= 900$ ?? and the RX 6800 XT costs even more!, that is in stores, so I think Nvidia cards have a biger chans to succed with ther sales. :( Wold be nice if other GPU makers did do something about this, old school ( powervr redition matrox and others came back to deliver some new GPUS)

  • Imagine using OBS to encode and expecting to have any cpu cycles to spare.

  • Please use timestamps thanks

  • Nope, I don't use DLSS, I don't like this idea. Quality is important!

  • I’m confused, all I’m seeing is amd getting out preformed 😂

    • I am confused how he enabled rtx on amd cards

  • I don't know u guys...I am super disappointed about this fake launch...

  • They disappointed!

  • i got so confused at the 11:00 min mark.. i thought that guy showed nvidia gfx cards but there he's infront of amd radeon? did he swap companies?

  • The beard looks better than a mask that don't do anything at all...

  • 2:17 imagine using twitter without dark mode.

  • Still rocking my R9 390X Surprisingly good for 1080p gaming, can handle every game I've thrown at it gracefully.

  • RDNA3 on way !

  • I mean, you can't buy any GPUs at the moment anyway but I think the AMD 6xxx series would be more fairly compared to the RTX 2xxx series. As you said, last gen ray tracing. Plus, you've not got a 6900 XT to compare here. Having said that, there's no denying that AMD are still behind Nvidia on that basis. Maybe we'll gen a 6xxxx Gen 2 set of cards that are more 3xxx comparable.

  • the Linux community be hopping on this AMD GPU train

  • Nice try Linus! You had to brag on about raytracing performance as if that was the main reason why people buy cards these days👏

  • AMD got so full of itself that they thought they could beat the 3070 whilst charging 80$ more.

  • Damn exchange rate, over $1000 AUD

  • nope , I am not spending shit on these.

  • So basically a 3080 with slightly shittier RT performance.

    • Honestly if you gonna do pure gaming ONLY then maybe the 50bux cheaper is like ehhhh okay If you're gonna do for productivity as well just go geforxe

    • Yes but cheaper and with more VRAM

  • Hey Linus and Co. Any chance you could do a build for KoolKingLogan? Kid loves gaming, is having a hard go of it and is a lil champion.

  • So it's finally almost as good? Progress, I'm supporting the cause and going AMD this time.

  • This video felt like about 13 minutes and 7 seconds of Linus dunking on the 6800XT... But I do have to say this. People in the comments are really acting like ray tracing is something people super care about. Well, spoiler alert, it's not really a feature that people super care about. The frame rate boost and DLSS are the main things that gamers care about, and while ray tracing is a completely nice thing to have, you can still game at a good graphical quality *without it.*. My point is, *You don't need Ray Tracing to game, and you don't even need it to game at a good graphical setting.* You only need it to game if you want your games to look like the realest games in the world. And most people would be completely fine if it didn't exist for personal gaming use for a little longer. That being said, RTX is still a completely nice feature that many people use, and if you want a feature and have the money, go ahead. AMD focused on the biggest thing, the frame rate improvement, which is more than enough reason to buy a 6800XT. DLSS needs to definitely implemented, and it should be able to handle ray tracing a lot better. But just saying that NVIDIA is better because of ray tracing only is *not fair*. The 6800XT showed its power in the standard gaming department, it's something that I do thing NVIDIA should be scared of. That being said, I *do think the 3000 series are the better card.* But for the price that the 6000 series is available at, and for the good standard gaming FPS boost, AMD is a *viable option.*

  • I wonder if all game developer are in favor of Nvidia, seems AMD GPU update struggles those software issue in games, and may ended up toward industrial use (render farming, big data processing) and Industrial developer might favor AMD gpu. (comparing nvidia features that are flavors for streamer to AMD gpu with only rich in rendering and graphic processing)

    • @bowen voowy well that sucks, that's the reason I buy first fully high spec monitor before I build pc for future proofing (I bought ROG STRIX XG32VC) since having best monitor can see the lengths and limits the performance of the gpu.

    • i ordered a rx6800 off newegg, but cancelled the order bc I realizes my monitor wasnt freesync capable :(

  • Can anybody please tell me if DLSS is resolution dependent? Does it require specific resolutions? I am running 32:9 5120x1440 120Hz.

    • @bowen voowy An answer to my question. But for some unknown reason, you write what you write. You know, you don't have to answer my question. Nobody is forcing you.

    • what will satisfy you anyways.

  • imagine spending £500+ on a graphics card and getting 12FPS in Minecraft :D

  • When it comes to SAM, it needs to be enabled at the software level for it to be used to capacity, and when it does, it probably won't affect FPS much still, but, it will reduce load times by quite a bit. *By at software level, I mean that games need to be coded to take advantage of the newly available bandwidth.

    • Hmm yeah that could be something potentially huge. Will be interesting to see if it does reduce load times.

  • they may not have disappointed you (due to they sent you cards to try out and probably keep) but they disappointed the world by having next to no stock and 0 protection against scalping bots!

  • Out of stock :(

  • I think these MSRP comparisons are really only applicable in the US, provided you got one of the reference cards. In my country ( România) the 3070 starts at roughly 850 US dollars. I'm hoping I can get an rx 6800 tomorrow which is about 800 dollars here. Between the two, I like the 16gb vram on the RX 6800 and I don't care all that much about the other features.

  • Team red is competitive again

  • The ray tracing maturity of the NVIDIA cards gives it the edge as far as I am concern..

  • Linus: "Unwatchable" Me: *sees no difference :D *

  • I am using GeForce 210 can you please give me a better graphic card because I cannot afford

  • Had 3 video cards from amd and last one i bought is nvidia 1080, i got once dead on arival by amd and once died on me after 2 weeks, every single amd card died soon after warranty ran out eather few weeks after or 2,5 year old. Had no issues whatsoever from nvidia in 4-5 years now. I for sure am willing to pay 50dollar premium if that means double or triple the lifespan, also when i want to change grapich card i can get some money back for working card, not soo much for a dead one. Im not touching amd gpus

  • I really want that Ryzen 9 5900x and 3080 but they're both sold out :(

  • Plot twist, scalpers are just undercover AMD employees

  • AMD is missing one legacy feature, theyre no longer price competitive.

  • 1:13 69, nice

  • CPU: AMD GPU: Nvidia

    • Is that suppose to be a problem? Nvidia does not work with intel or amd. But still all the people pair Nvidia with intel, but reality Nvidia likes amd more..

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  • Using DLSS is effective decreasing your game screen size then stretching it to fit the current resolution. Say you have a 1440p resolution it might render it in 1080p and scale it back to 1440p. You'll loose finer details doing so. So hell yes it is cheating. It isn't actually rendering in the resolution it is being compared in it is just up-scaling. I hope AMD never does an equivalent to DLSS because stupid. If you are going to use DLSS you might as well just set the resolution to the lower scaled image because apparently that is what will satisfy you anyways.

    • Mate you clearly have no idea about what DLSS is. It’s not just ordinary upscaling, it’s actually extremely sophisticated. Distant objects like tree branches, power lines, and text is actually looing better vs native resolution even with 2x resolution scaling (performance mode).

  • i ordered a rx6800 off newegg, but cancelled the order bc I realizes my monitor wasnt freesync capable :(

  • 12:03 sums up the entire AMD debacle.

  • Everyone complaining about stock levels are just impatient af. I went to the store, ordered a 3080 and waited 2 weeks to get it just chill tf out its not the end of the world.

  • Honestly I think amd's design looks great compared to nvidia's.

  • So basically with a CPU I can't buy, and a GPU that's paper launched.. if I win the GPU+CPU lottery, then its worth it.. ? Sounds retarded. Definitely disliking this video.

  • Looking at the links and I'm seeing Ryzen 9 5950 lol for half a sec I went holy shi*

  • I'd love to see a comparison of nvenc vs ReLive vs software x264 on OBS and x264 on vMix.

  • No wonder, NVIDIA is giving them all to you guys lol

  • My GTX 1080 is crying

  • You can argue all you want but nvidia simply has better graphics cards. Though my rx 580 wont be replaced anytime soon its awesome, unless they release 3060 with a solid price

  • Wow I didn't knew anything about the Productivity issues and machine learning hardware stuff ! I am glad I watched the video and until the very end !

  • Why is your camera quality so good lol

  • No it doesn't

  • This review disappointed me. Not because you're spreading false information. But since you're not looking at the whole picture. You used 2 games as example for RT /facepalm. Of course Nvidia is gonna have better RT in games optimized for there own implementation of RT. Games that uses DX RT (Dirt 5 and Godfall only atm) run much better on RX 6000 series. And that is gonna become the most common standard going forward as it is what consoles are gonna use. And you cant get a RTX card for MSRP. Currently 3070 is more than 6800 and 3800 is like 150-200 more than RX 6800 XT. If you get all cards for free you might recommend 3080 over 6800 XT. But if you actually buy your card there is no world where you recommend a 3080 over 6800 XT unless the only game you want to play for 5 years straight is Cyberpunk 2077. Since at 1440p 6800 XT is better. Its more future proof with 16GB ram. Cheaper. And most importantly of all, a lot more headroom for overclocking. Slap a water block on there and you will be able to overclock it like crazy.

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  • Those prizes in $. I wish we coul buy card in europe for the same prize. Shops in slovakia empty and when someone has 1 piece to sell than rtx 3080 starts at 1050€.

  • "It's only $70 more for the XT model which is significantly stronger" Well the 6800 is only $80 more than the 3070 and is significantly stronger(especially with Smart Access Memory) and has double the VRAM which will only become more and more important with time... so why is it tough to recommend? And that's comparing reference models. The 3070 founders edition doesn't even seem to be in production rn, the only cards that seem to be popping up on sale anymore are more expensive AIB models. If you compare an AIB 3070 to a reference 6800 then the 6800 looks even better, unless you're a streamer or truly care about Ray Tracing that much. Does Linus not realize that most people don't stream and don't care a whole lot about ray tracing? Most people that are buying these cards care about pure performance. These extra features of Nvidia are nice for some people, but they're not a priority for most people. Shit, most people don't have 4k monitors(especially over 60hz) so the importance of DLSS is blown out of proportion as well. Both of these cards absolutely destroy 1080p/1440p gaming natively without DLSS. Shit, my nephew saved up and bought an RX 6800 and I installed it for him and we ran some games and it's a fuckin' beast.

  • Been a fan for a long time, but something's shifted in your videos You've quit focusing on substance, and have veered towards sensationalism. Linus acts as if AMD announced full RT support in launch, which they did not. The 5700XT cards took a bit to work out the kinks, but now they perform better than originally advertised,and the rare driver issues they did have were overblown by those with an agenda, who largely couldn't replicate the issues of complaint. Now, you expect their very first foray into RT to be butter-smooth? As if Nvidia's first attempt weren't a total letdown for over a year? Same for DLSS? AMD has all these other software enhancements in the works, but it's impossible to work out all the hitches when the silicon + PCBs were only ready for testing a couple months ago. I hate this sort of misleading crap Linus pulls just to get views, then contradicts himself several times in the same video. Also, it's clear his system wasn't properly configured to use SAM, in 3rd party tests I've seen there are at least 3-4% improments across the board, not a regression like I saw in some of his #s. I'll wait for Hardware Unboxed and Gamer's Nexus to release thorough, non-incentivized reviews, where they actually consider the fact that game creators have had no way of implementing this 1st gen AMD RT in such a short span. Linus, disclosing your sponsors and your company revenue stream in the aim of being transparent doesn't make you any less of a corporate shill. Calling this product or release a disappointment without giving anyone the chance to try it out, fiddle around, work out bugs, like is normally expected if a major hardware / software release of this sort, is absolutely disingenuous, and you all know it. At the very least, AMD actually lived up to their performance promises. They haven't promised anything in RT yet, it was just a little tiny square at the bottom of a slide. It's not ready yet. Quit expecting it to be. RT will only be the deciding factor for perhaps 15% of buyers for now, unless they buy in too heavily to what you're selling. How many stream? And you completely diacount all the DLSS complaints as if it's just nitpicking, while you can definitely tell the difference and even when you can't, Nvidia only just now got to that point after years of fine tuning. 8 year fan here, out the door, done wasting my time and YT click revenue.

  • I feel so much better getting the 3090 it will be a sin if I don’t use dlss and ray tracing. Otherwise it wouldn’t justify the price of 3000 aud (2200 usd it’s worth in Australia) that I paid for it!

  • Bottomline: pay those extra $50 and get an RTX3080 in 2022.

  • So what should i get if i want the best gaming performance and maybe best streaming and gaming performance Nvidia Or AMD

  • Linus didn't showed AMD optimized games like RT Dirt 5 only nvidia optimized games for RT so he's probably an nvidia fan boy or he was told how to review this card by nvidia.

    • @Magnus Rasmussen right, and AMD working on an DLSS like implementation for their own cards

    • @Magnus Rasmussen

    • @eli hatamov I know it’s terrible. This is why DLSS is so important

    • @Magnus Rasmussen even if you were right Minecraft RTX running 15 fps on 4k with the 3090 so nvidia rtx implementation is not even playable right now.. we have to wait for the next gen cards or to Radeon optimization in order to enjoy rtx games :)

    • @eli hatamov because the performance dip is very small compared to the Nvidia titles + AMD has a large lead already. That is not the case in demanding titles like Control, Minecraft RTX and watchdogs legion.

  • 0:02 LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH.

  • sounds like a bad value and a very specific use case... if your thinking is not everyone cares about ray tracing or DLSS or workstation use case but specifically needs enough horsepower to push 4k. You will save 50 bucks by going red, assuming you can get the card in store... That is a very specific use case.

    • @Charles Yeo I agree the 6800 is a bad product. Just not worth it for 1440p, better to get the 3070. Yeah, but do remember that most people actually only game and rarely turn on RT and DLSS, and the 6800XT has more VRAM and higher perf/dollar (go look at Hardware Unboxed). But for people who are going to use the PC for anything but solely gaming or wants to experience Ray tracing, I agree the 3080 makes most sense, no doubt about it. And now that AIB cards cost the exactly same as 3080 AIBs and in many instances +10% more, there is no reason to purchase a 6800 and 6800XT. Yeah that's what I thought too. This gen just doesn't feel truly competitive, only really bringing AMD back into the high end, nothing more than that really.

    • @Magnus Rasmussen I think message was lost in translation. In that I agree with Linus. It sounds like a bad value on either 6800 vs 6800xt. 6800xt is only ever gonna make sense if you have a very specific use case of vanilla 4k only games. No rtx. No dlss. No productivity apps. Otherwise the 3080 would win on being a better general purpose card for only 50 bucks more While the 6800 is basically more expensive and less value compared to 3070. Both cards can do 4k. But more suitable for 1440p. They would definitely out grow 4k in the next few gens of games. Both cards aren't meant for 4k high quality. With the amd 6800 being more expensive and not really having the stated features above. Ultimately, it feels distinctly first gen. Like how ryzen 1000 and ryzen 2000 was. I would wait for the next generation of rdna

    • Exactly! AMD is an easy win for most people. Linus mistake was to think about his usecase only and not that of the broader market mostly focused on gaming.

  • For me the feature to save the last minute as a video clip in shadow play on Nvidias side, is really the feature I can't get out of my mind anymore and amd doesn't have such a good ingame overlay and recording software, so I did also go for team green at this point with an rtx 3070

  • Omg Linus your Bias is very apparent.1080TI owner here by the way.

    • Yes most people are not prosumers. DLSS AND RT support is very limited. 6800XT vs 3080 is an easy win.

  • So basically, same thing as every year. Slightly comparable to unoptimized nvidia options that will sore far higher with time, and the big L with all other modern gaming technologies that AMD is years behind on. Why anyone would buy AMD GPUs is beyond stupid. Their CPUs and console hardware are the only products they have worth a damn, and a bicycle.

  • 6900 xt series should out performed the 3090

  • dlss is still no good. i dont use it on my 2080ti, and i wont use amds version when they finally release it. sure dlss 2.0 is 1000% better than the original, but just look at the fans @ 4:52 it is noticeably worse than the orginal. while this is a neat trick it just doenst compare to native resolution. me personally id rather put shadows on medium than use dlss

  • rtx 3090 ti boys... get ready for detonation